Marvin Bailey large face jugs
Marvin Bailey large face jugs
I have a client interested in older face jugs. By older I mean pre 1970 or so.
Looking for signed stoneware by Issac Lefevers. He was a North Carolina potter who apprenticed with Daniel Seagal in the mod nineteenth century. ‘IL’.
I have interest in a piece of Pottersville stoneware similar to the one one pictured. The piece should have a double dipped runny oatmeal-colored glaze as shown. It should also be in excellent or near excellent condition. If it is marked that would be great. It can be any size jar or jug. Pottersville Southern pottery is from early 19th century Edgefield district in South Carolina. Possibly slave made, possibly John Lamdrum.
Dave Drake. Dave the Slave. Dave.
In my opinion, there is no more valuable piece of collectable ceramic history than an authentic ‘Dave’.
The stories of Dave: who he was, what he did, what he was, why he was are mostly that; Stories. If you mix a little truth in with a lot of conjecture it comes across as more authoritative. Great for selling artifacts and books and web pages, like mixing a little kaolin in with ordinary mud to create ceramics. But, I guess I’m a Dave agnostic about much of it. I believe that he lived, and that he was a slave in Edgefield , and that he was involved in the pottery business in some manner, and that he wrote on the still wet clay vessels. Everything else is debatable–more like elaborate stories woven from only a few threads of fact. I take much of it with a grain of salt glazing.
There is one book I recommend that is more factual if you are interested in Dave. I had to look for it to find it hidden behind the other Dave fluff. It is Beneath his Magic Touch: The Dated Vessels of the African-American Slave Potter Dave by Arthur F. Goldberg and James Witkowski. It was published by Ceramics in America in 2006. These images below are from that publication. (I borrowed the images and will take them down if asked.)
As you can see the authors listed the dates and markings of every Dave vessel in existence that they could verify. This is factual. This is so much like engraved stone tablets. This is real.
On January 3rd, 2010 The American Pickers film crew came to Atlanta with a truck full of pottery for me to evaluate. I was then on TV for my 15 seconds of fame. It was fun. I ran across these pictures that someone took and I thought I would post some of them here.
All images © MudSweatAnd Tears
I remember it was really cold and windy and the crew from up north were surprised it got so cold in the South.
Anyway I bought all the pottery. There were only three or four decent pieces in all of the few dozen pieces. It took a considerable amount of time to clean up the stoneware for resale. The show’s producers call every now and and then looking for more.
I have a picture of me holding a jar from a few years ago. I use this as a profile picture on this blog and a few other places. The significance of the picture is not me, it is the jar. I “picked” this piece from a family in central Georgia. Picked is in quotes because I didn’t buy it from them as a picker might have done. I simply helped arrange for them to put it in an auction. I knew it was very valuable.
This family did not know what the jar was. They called it their “Davey Crocket” jar because it had “Dave” written on its side. Crocket? Crockery? Davey? Dave?
An elderly couple owned it. It was a son or grandson who contacted me. When that couple were children, the jar was given to their family by a man whom the family had taken in. The jar, not thought to be worth much, was all this homeless man had to pay them for their generosity. The jar became a curiosity.
I sometimes get calls or emails from people who think they may have something after watching an episode of Antique Roadshow or its like. Usually, it’s no, or it’s just junk, or it’s not nearly worth what you think it’s worth. When I was first contacted about the Davey Crocket jar I was my usual unimpressed. I just asked them to send me a picture. When I saw the picture that changed.
This was a jar signed and dated by Dave. I haven’t talked about Dave here yet, but I will at some point. For now know that Dave was a slave potter in Edgefield, South Carolina. Anyway, there are only a few signed Dave’s known to exist. These pieces, based on, aesthetics, condition, and signature variations, can bring as much or more than $40,000. But this Dave–This Dave was also decorated like a Collin Rhodes piece. At some point I’ll talk about decorations and Rhodes, et al. Just know for now that decorated stoneware is a distinct variety of valuable stoneware from Edgefield. The decoration is the slip motif or swags around the jar’s shoulders thought to have been applied by slave women.
It is the only one of its kind as far as I know, though I don’t know everything. The various decorated jars are the same time period as Dave, but not thought to made by Dave. A decorated AND signed and dated Dave? Wow. Historically it’s proof that Dave was involved in a different category of Southern pottery that no one was a ware of.
One of a kind items like this are hard to gauge the value of, because of their unique oneness. No other pieces like them that have been sold. This jar went to an auction and sold for a lot of money, but much lower than I anticipated.
The family asked me what I wanted for driving all the way down and telling them about their Dave. I said take a picture of me holding the jar. That was all I wanted. (In complete disclosure, I did get a percentage of the auctioneer’s normal fees later.) It makes me smile to think about this, because for almost 175 years that jar had probably been treated no better than a mop bucket. Now I wanted to hold their fragile lottery ticket for a picture. Were they a little afraid I might drop it?
This is a Catawba Valley, NC jug. Late 19th–early 20th century. About 5 gallons in capacity and 16 inches tall. Excellent condition. See the bits of quartz in the clay body? A similar one at auction in 2017 sold for $275.Jugs are one of my favorite styles.
This is a jar. Fill it with whatever and tie off a cloth over its top with a string around the neck. Some time later the ‘canning jar’ came into fashion. It looked similar to this jar, but with a ledge inside its mouth.
Filled to the ledge with boiled fruits and vegetables, the canning jar could then be sealed off with wax. Canning jars did not appear until mid to late 19th century. This jar is a bit earlier guessing by the rolled lip and lime-like coloring. Sometimes there is no way to know for sure where a piece is from, as with this example. It is a simple form that is very common. There are no attached handles or spouts to help determine its origin. Just straight sides and a rolled lip. But, I do know where it is not from, and that list is fairly long, so it’s not a total mystery.
Well, what is it worth? Based on the process I go through, I’d say about $125 or a bit more. Though an attractive early example, it is unmarked, unattributable, and has a bit of damage.
The pottery recession. It was real. It happened. What MudSweatAndTears was selling Southern pottery for in 2006 is now down to about 60% of that mark. Of course that ratio varies depending on how rare or sought after certain pottery may be.
Lower end collectors were hit harder by the economic downturn, so the lower end stuff took a bigger hit. However, the higher end collectors pulled back, too.
The good news is the recession is over, and I expect the value of stoneware to noticeable increase in the near term. In fact it is has already begun. I think that the value of things like this naturally lag behind other economic indicators.
Collecting never stopped being a good investment. Just like gold or any other commodity, it goes up and done in value, but art and history like this never loses its intrinsic value.
Bottom line: If you are thinking about getting back into collecting stoneware, or collecting anything for that matter, you should snap up what you can at current prices. Five years from now you might be able to sell what low end stuff you buy now, and get that rare piece that you’ve always considered prohibitively expensive.
Note: A similar piece to the pictured example recently sold at auction for ~$200. In a few years the same piece could be worth two or three times that value.